Curse

pamelf · Oct 19, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

I'm happy so long as well keep mesmers, monks and elementalists.

Phoenix Tears · Oct 19, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

Phoenix Tears: Handguns first appeared in Europe in the 1300s. It took several centuries for them to be made accurate and reliable enough to take over the battlefield, but their first appearance wasn't long after cannons were made. It doesn't exactly take a genius to come up with the idea of trying scaling down siege technology to a portable form, after all...
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sure, they appeared sooner, but weren't effective, the first guns at all damaged more their weilders, as they did their targets, when used ...
When we talk about Guns, also Pistols and Riffles, then we talk about fully functionating guns, that have no mistakes in them cause of their bad technology as when they were first created, no when we think of guns, we imagine rifles ect. from the new age which work without any failure, and best without gun powder... thats the point of guns being to futuristic.
Sure it takes no genius to get on the idea of scaling down everything to a portable version, but the problem lies in the industries, that are in that time age not capable of producuing such small things with pure hands, it needs the technology of Computers to produce such mircro things for a Hand Gun... a Hand Gun is nothing, that any Blacksmith would/could produce in the time age of GW...

GW is based on middle age weapons like Swords ect. how would it look, when a Warrior with a Sword in his hands should fight in a sudden versus someione, who weilds a Sniper Rifle and shots down the Warrior with 1 Head Shot ...

NO ..JUST NO TO GUNS!!!

They don' fit and will never fit to Guild Wars

When you want guns, play a Sci-Fi Game or go to Counter Strike ....but not GW, neither GW2 ...
The Highest acceptable Upgrade for GW2 on bowlike Weapons are Crossbows ...they fit to the time line of GW2

PS: Guns would destroy the whole flair of GW's middle aged scenarios

arcanemacabre · Oct 19, 2007, 02:58 PM // 14:58

I only have one thing to say about the possibility of guns - The Asura have mechs!

I'm sure they could develop a magical/mechanical device, using similar technology as the Golems, that would resemble a gun. It doesn't have to be what we consider "guns," in the sense that it fires metal balls with gunpowder, etc. However, a "hand cannon" of sorts could be developed, possibly carried on a Golem or even in the arms of a Norn or Dwarf (Budger Blackpowder, for instance) who likes things that go Boom. It could fire physical projectiles, or perhaps a more elemental or magical projectile, but either way be effectively a "gun" in the very generic sense of the word.

Either way, I say yes to crossbows, including repeating crossbows. I want to be able to "Barrage" 6-7 bolts at 3 rounds per second. Oh yeah. Let's get some of that!

HawkofStorms · Oct 19, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Exactly. Gun's don't have to be AK-47s. They would be muskets (really slowly reloading bows that do more damage).
Still, I don't know how I'd feel about them. I agree that they just don't "feel" right (even if Asuras do have mechs). There is something cooler about shooting lightening bolts out of your hands then pulling a trigger.

Phoenix Tears · Oct 19, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

imo, still the G.O.L.E.M's are still 1 step too far to make out of GW only a FF Clone ...

what wil come next, that asuras invent maybe next sweeping cars oO ...
or huge reactors for their almighty e-peen cannon that will be able to kill those dragon inm GW1 with 1 shot...

I ask me, why the Devs must have to give these damn Asuras such Mechs ...
WTF isn't it enough to let them we able to use Warp technologies through their gates, why do they have to use damn far too futuristic mechs ? I personally don't get on that an answer.

For me as player, who likes to play in an middle age inspired game, that don't looks like a FF7 Clone or so which it was, until those mechs came now...
For me personally it would has been enough, when Asuras would be able to summon as only race monsters of GW, like those some Asura Skills to summon Ice Imps, Ruby Djins and so on...

instead of the Mechs, the Asuras would receive then a Homunculus ... a special magical creature that only Asuras can summon ... would also fit by far more to the Asuras, then those stupid Mechs, which destroy only the middle age inspered scenario of the whole game and let GW look more like a FF Clone

arcanemacabre · Oct 19, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Well, keep in mind, all their technology is magic-based, without magic, they wouldn't work. Also, harking back to Kurzick/Luxon technology, the Kurzicks have "The Vengeance of the Gods," which is essentially a scaled down Death Star. I know it's been mentioned, but the Luxons have their Jade Turtle cannons. Chances are, these are not magic based, so even the humans are far along with tech.

The GW world is a completely different world than ours. It's not 'based in 16th-17th century' or anything like that, it's based in an entirely [mostly] unique universe. There is a good possibility that no matter how high-tech any civilization gets in this world, they won't develop even remotely similar tech you and I are used to. Think about it, automobiles were developed because of a need for more efficient travel. If the Asura already have warp gates, where is the need for any other advanced travel? Same hold true for any other tech, like guns. If they can shoot lightning bolts, is there really a need for high speed metal balls?

Of course, that brings up another question: is there a need for sharp metal attached to sticks (bows and spears)? Hmm...

Master Ketsu · Oct 19, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

Honestly Id prefer that Species has no effect on Gameplay in PvP and that everyone can be any class just like we have in GW1.

But then in PvE, make all the PvE only skills be Race specific.

Its already difficult enough to balance a huge skillset as guildwars were every skill has a purpose, Anet would be wise to not mess it up further with Race superiority.

yum · Oct 19, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

Its already difficult enough to balance a huge skillset as guildwars were every skill has a purpose, Anet would be wise to not mess it up further with Race superiority.

This has a purpose? [skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]

Sleeper Service · Oct 19, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

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The GW world is a completely different world than ours. It's not 'based in 16th-17th century' or anything like that, it's based in an entirely [mostly] unique universe. There is a good possibility that no matter how high-tech any civilization gets in this world, they won't develop even remotely similar tech you and I are used to. Think about it, automobiles were developed because of a need for more efficient travel. If the Asura already have warp gates, where is the need for any other advanced travel? Same hold true for any other tech, like guns. If they can shoot lightning bolts, is there really a need for high speed metal balls?

Of course, that brings up another question: is there a need for sharp metal attached to sticks (bows and spears)? Hmm...

Yes i pretty much came to the same train of thought. Would the presence of "true magic" in a given world stunt or promote the development of technology?

Why use slaves and gunpowder in SF if you can just get a couple of Elementalists together and nuke it to hell? Why use swords and bows for anything when magic does it better?

The fact of Tech having existed within the world before would also impact on the way this would come about, people being aware that non-magical methods of doing things existed would open their minds to new approaches. But it looks like they already know this.

In all honesty I don’t think they would develop anything like Terran muskets or a rifles, Tyrians would develop something along the lines of muskets yes…but that shoots Spells.

So no tears Phoenix, we are not *or at least I am not, suggesting Sniper Rifles that can take out a War in one HS, the chances of that happening would be the same as that same war being taken out by a single meteor strike to the head….oh wait.

I’ll leave you with Clarke and Niven now.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur.C.Clarke

Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
Larry Niven

Master Ketsu · Oct 19, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by yum

This has a purpose? [skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]

Nope, but its supposed to.